Presumably "this" is "quantity"! Fine by me.

Although I bet that the volume of articles can only increase as Peak Oil becomes more obvious to the punters - along with our global lack of preparation!

A recent Drumbreat compilation has had nearly 500 comments; surely some sort of record.
- Given the headache that one gets from reading all that addictive commentary, at least we can sincerely say, "I feel your pain"...

some good points there. we can either retrain by choice, or wait for the industries (like tourism) to decline before we start.

As an engineer, I'm not scared by the word 'radiation' and having worked in the offshore oil and gas industry, I've got a pretty good understanding of how dangerous facilities can be made 'as safe as practical', but never perfectly safe.

i accept that countries with existing nuclear industries will probably have good reason to expand them. but the idea of starting a nuclear industry from scratch in this country when we already have a shortage of engineers is almost ridiculous.

because of the risks involved, the nuclear power industry is a highly specialised, highly regulated and highly monitored industry. after you've found and trained people to build a nuclear station, you need people to operate it and people to maintain it. then you need a whole new government agency with skills that don't exist in this country to regulate and monitor this new industry. even the materials and fabrication techniques needed in nuclear are specialised - you can't use existing engineering supply chains and standards for many components of a nuclear power station.

where on earth are we going to find people to run the universities and other training courses for all of this - there's enough demand for them already. there are no shortcuts for such a high risk industry and you have to maintain the same high level of maintenance and scrutiny from the day it is built till the day it is completely decommissioned otherwise you create an even bigger headache. that's true for both offshore oil and gas and nuclear in the UK - they have both created themselves some enormous decommissioning problems.

everytime something goes wrong in a nuclear plant, especially as it gets old, the amount of effort required to fix the problem becomes incredible. there are regular 'engineering success' stories in the UK of something breaking deep in the radioactive guts of a nuclear facility and the clever people who designed, tested and built robotics or other fancy solutions for their unique problem, each time costing a lot of time, money and resources.

if something breaks on a renewable energy plant, the consequences are pretty small. thus you don't need to monitor or regulate the industry as highly and the skills required are generic - welding, construction, fabrication etc. manufacture standard bits in the factory, take them to site, bolt them together etc - it is almost that simple. the second half of a concentrating solar power plant is steam turbines, which we already have a worldwide industry focussed on.

I have no problem with France continuing to run their nuclear reactors given the experience and skills they have. But we simply do not have enough engineers to be able to develop a new and highly specialised, high risk industry in this country. That is why I think nuclear is the wrong approach in Australia.

So we will need molten salt - but as thermal energy storage for concentrating solar power plants rather than nuclear energy reactors! :-)

We have other options better suited to our social, geographic and technical environment.

yer i think it should be a mix of it all. we need a baseload, but we already have that. so yer they should get serious about cleaning it up. australia is in the top 3 for know reserves of nuke fuel. but its worse than oil, lets not swap addictions, tho i have no issues in using it as a bridge technology. but from our track record i do see how we will do that responsibly. id rather it fund our permanent fix than become an expense and liability.

use it all, biogas fecal gas reactor large and micro, waste product biofuel, solar (troughs, towers, sterlings), solar to Hydrogen if it can be ramped up, wind tho aus isnt all great for it, wave power which i think seriously needs some more effort, geothermal, hotrocks, home solar and wind micro stations back to the grid, electric car to grid system (re googles), australia needs more water supply so get some hydro in there while they are doing it, weve got lots of gas let use a LITTLE and sell the rest. get gas conversions going with setups that can handle natural, lpg, hydrogen fuels.

infractsture and conservation will play a part, aircars for cities, electric cars for the richer, a rail system like we've never seen, heaps more of the lpg buses they have been trying out. local living and working. ramp up local markets with local producers.

but yer, its not like we have the industry to put ANY of this in.
its all a bit late, none of these ideas can get in place before late 2010 when we a likely to see steep painful 4% decline.

our government needs to stop thinking about whats they best cheapest thing they should do, and just pick some of the serious savers and start putting money on it today. my picks would be; rail, solar thermal to every city, bugger off hybrids and get tata in to mass produce small aircars asap, and get to it like your making tanks from an attack tomorrow.
with our fruitbowl dry, we need to ensure australia stays a net food exporter.

our trucking system is an issue, but it something they need to buffer with our energy exports.

this is still too much too late, i personally have submitted to the idea that we are boned. :p

I'd respond to that, except it'd ruin my status as a lurker.

FWIW I quite like the Bullroarers as they are :)

Hey hey Boof,

I'm a lurker on the BullRoarer because I'm an American and we have the Drumbeat to prattle on. I read the BullRoarer because I'm putting serious thought into moving to New Zealand or Australia in the next year or two to avoid the severe hardships that peak oil and global warming are going to cause. I'm much more optimistic about the future in the land of OZ than I am about hometown USA primarily because you folks have lower populations and population densities, greater social cohesion and far fewer guns, a broader distribution of wealth, geographic isolation, and lastly OZ is more aware of peak oil then anywhere else.

So should I be posting here or lurking?

See the witch-hunt against 'theokobox' for a reason why people may lurk and not prattle http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4287#comments_top
-93 on the old popularity monitor - wow, is that the top score to date? I guess he was lucky it is a virtual community and not hands-on!

That said, TOD ANZ & Bullroarer is a much more laid back place to be. So if you are a lurker, come out of the closet and give it a try. You might still get savaged, but as the Bee Gees said "It's only words"

I'm seeing announcements of smart grid / smart meter experiments and rollouts around the world every day now - I've got a post in the works on the topic.

Ideally we'll eventually end up with home automation systems that include demand management that is linked into the (dynamic) grid pricing network and adjusts our household energy use accordingly - minimising fridge and aircon use for periods of time during peak pricing and charging up the electric car when there is excess solar or wind power flowing into the grid.

The quicker utilities start adopting these things en-masse, the sooner the per-unti price will drop and the more innovation we will see in the area.

A couple more links off the wire today:

http://www.evolvingexcellence.com/blog/2008/07/power-to-the-pe.html
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/14/2302581.htm?section=business
http://smartmeters.com/news/Discussion-on-Australia%E2%80%99s-sustainabi...

Someone should ask him if he minds deducting the lost tax revenue from spending on roads ...

Trainer says that some solar thermal designs don't generate as much power in winter as they do in summer - they generate perhaps 1/3 less.

Check out power consumption in Australia and you'll see summer demand is rather higher than it is in winter - reinforcing the point that CSP is a perfect fit here.

He's also unsure about the best approach for storage or the total losses, but likes the ammonia based storage scheme I wrote about a little while ago.

We'll see how Ausra's new hot water based storage design turns out, eh ?