Again there seems to be a lack of knowledge about these two century old inventions, the train and the river barge.

According to the CIA worldfactbook, the US has,

4,165,110 km of paved roads, which includes 75,009 km of expressways
226,612 km of railways
41,009 km of waterways, 19,312 km of which are used for commerce

The UP says

Railroads are three times more fuel-efficient than trucks. [...]

Railroad fuel efficiency has increased by 72 percent since 1980. Then, a gallon of diesel fuel moved one ton of freight an average of 235 miles. In 2001, the same amount of fuel moved one ton of freight an average of 406 miles.

Railroads and rail suppliers have reduced the weight and increased the capacity of rail cars to improve fuel efficiency and reduce emissions. The average freight car capacity is now nearly 93 tons, up 17 percent in just the past 20 years.

The EPA estimates that for every ton-mile, a typical truck emits roughly three times more nitrogen oxides and particulates than a locomotive.

[in freight capacity] 1 Double-stack train equals up to 280 Trucks

A train also takes physically less space than a truck for the same freight carried, and because it travels on rail, unshared by private transport, it's not subject to traffic jams.

So by converting all freight to rail, you could reduce your freight fuel use by two-thirds, even without electrifying any of your rail, just using diesel trains. In case you wish to object that this doesn't let freight be moved within cities, you might note that there exist in Europe freight trams; they take freight at night along the same tracks as the mass transit use during the day.

It should be borne in mind that in the US in the 1930s, the oil and car companies bought up the streetcar companies and eliminated them. See the Great American Streetcar Scandal. Streetcars were cheap to run, durable, and used little energy; obviously oil and car companies didn't like the competition. If trucks and cars were obviously superior to streetcars, then GM, Standard Oil and the like would not have had to use these dodgy methods to get rid of them, their natural superiority would have won them market share.

So just as crude extraction plateau's we are suddenly and with little if any planning going to switch to alternative sources of energy to replace 200 mbd?

Oh, certainly with no planning you'll achieve nothing useful at all.

But to say that if you make no plans at all you'll have difficulty adjusting to changes in the world, that's not exactly a profound insight into the world. Of course if you blindfold yourself and walk around you'll stumble.

I think what Cslater8 is trying to say is that there is a vast chasm between where we are now and where we would need to be if we were to replace CO2-emitting forms of transport. And getting global agreement to make that transition in a timely enough fashion is extremely unlikely because of the realities of our money-delineated global free market economy. Sure, if governments actually took some decisive action on a vast scale, or people started to take this issue seriously, we might get to where we need to be in time. But on current progress that just ain't gonna happen. The required changes are just too vast.

Specifically - electricity - where's it going to come from? Renewables currently produce a small fraction of current consumption, disregarding the probable doubling in demand if we also use if for ground transportation, whether directly or through production of hydrogen. And train and barges could theoretically be part of the solution too, but most of the world's infrastructure has been built around other modes of transport. Adopting more energy-efficient modes will take a very significant amount of time and effort.

It's all theoretically solvable, but who can honestly believe that the solution will be achieved in time? We're running out of that commodity very fast and there are few signs that any of the required changes will take place in anything like the necessary timescale.

This is the reality of the situation, and hope alone won't solve our problems, I'm afraid. We shouldn't abandon hope, but as time goes on the solutions look farther and farther away.

ncollingridge, Just wanted to let you know I agree with your post completely. I work my own business so only have so much time to devote to responses, but do appreciate your elequent version of my somewhat cut and dry response. And just so you know the other reply posts are not for you. Thanks, Cslater8 in California

Well, essentially what you're saying here is that positive change is slow and difficult.

Sure. But we should still give it a go. If we try, maybe things won't improve. If we don't try, definitely they won't improve.

I'll take possible failure over certain failure any day of the week. "Resigned apathy" is not a state of mind I've ever found useful.

Yes, we may fail if we try. But if we don't try we'll definitely fail. May as well give it a go.

What do I do? Well, there's the individual and the general: I work towards a one-tonne CO2 lifestyle as an individual, and for the general each season I sit down and write a letter to each of my local, state and federal representatives.

Maybe they don't listen, but we can't complain they don't listen if we don't speak. And I think they do listen. For the last month in my local newspaper the front page news has been, of all things, the removal of a single Australia Post mailbox. It was only getting six letters a day so AP removed it and told the people to just walk to the next one. But that's 650m further and the little old ladies in the neighbourhood are upset. The state MP has protested to Australia Post, called up the federal Communications Minister, and is going to bring it up in State Parliament as part of a general critique of the (public owned) Australia Post.

The State MP got 25 letters on it. And now it's being brought up in State Parliament, this extraordinarily trivial thing, a single bloody postbox.

So I write to my councillors, and state and federal MPs. Maybe mine will be the letter that, on top of all the rest, makes them bring the issue up in Parliament. It certainly can't do any harm.

Or I could just sit around and cry into my beer and say it's all hopeless. Which would be what they call a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Change your life, and once a season write to your elected representatives about the issues of the day. You've got nothing to lose but your resigned apathy.

Your sleep walking - wake up.

Trucks - don't forget the trucks. Barges etc. will only do so much. Look around you and what do you see? A huge country cris-crossed by highways with trucks transporting goods. How are those huge trucks going to run on a windmill of electric power? You need to stop living in a fishbowl and take a hard good look at reality. 200 million barrels of fossil fuels a day. Don't kid yourself into these other scenarios.

Trucks - don't forget the trucks. Barges etc. will only do so much. Look around you and what do you see? A huge country cris-crossed by highways with trucks transporting goods

If long-distance transport of goods is moved from road to rail, we won't need so many trucks. How are you going to maintain the highways?

Looking around me, I see a couple trains each day which consist of semi-trailers hooked together on rail dollies (run by Triple Crown Services).  I've counted 125 trailers being towed by a single locomotive.

The steps look fairly simple to me:

  1. Move freight to rail, either dual-mode trailers or straight rail cars.  This saves about 2/3 for the long hauls.
  2. Electrify the rails.  This eliminates oil consumption for the long hauls.
  3. Use battery-powered semi-tractors for the short hauls from rail head to loading dock and back.  That eliminates oil consumption on the final legs, as well as almost all of the air pollution and most of the noise.  The Smith Newton 7.5 ton delivery truck shows that it can be done.

We've got examples out there, we just have to follow them.

How about we just buy less useles stuff to fill our McMansions with and then we won't need so many trucks, trains, barges. Come to think of it, why don't we stop building McMansions and other forms of wasteful dispersed housing, only live in places where food can be grown close to the mouths that eat it.